174 thoughts on “My Response to Pastor Rick Warren Being Labeled a Chrislam”

1. Well, I wrote the article you reposted, and I stand by each and every word I said. I am sorry if you took offense at me QUOTING the words of False teacher Warren when he called Allah, who is an idol, the "all-merciful one" at a conference merging Christianity with the Devils religion of Islam. Furthermore, it is false teachers like Warren who have created the environment where Chrislam could grow. Maybe he never saw the bonfire, but he threw the match…

   1. Hey Geoffrey, Thanks for replying. I wasn't offended by you quoting the prayer, I just didn't see the reference for when and where he prayed those words. Without the reference to verify it, it is an accusation that can't have weight.When I watched the video from when he was invited to addressed the ISNA, because of Saddleback's efforts in social justice, I heard him clearly state he was gracious for being invited to talk about social justice matters even though he was an Evangelical (my paraphrase from memory) and I didn't recall him praying there – nor could I find any reference for that prayer being said. No where in that talk could you even make a case for him compromising his dedication to following Christ.I just would like to caution those who would accuse him of being a Chrislam based on a prayer like that. The Apostle Paul, in Acts17:23, is talking to the Athenians and he tells them that they pray to an Unknown God – whom they had built an altar after and he tells them that his God is the Unknown God they worship without knowing. Paul used it as a bridge to tell them about Jesus. We don't accuse Paul of being Christathenian.I don't think the prayer that Pastor Rick Warren prayed was any different in this context. I believe he knows his God as the "All-Merciful One" who sent Jesus, his only Son, to die and raised Him from the dead, proving his deity. If I call God the All-Merciful One, does that make me a Chrislam and a false teacher? Islamic people need Jesus as much as you and I, because Jesus died for them too – and if this is an opportunity for the Kingdom of God to advance through the relationship of Pastor Rick, then may we not stop that.Have a good weekend Geoffrey and may God use you in great ways for His purposes,KaseyPS – the links on your article were broken when I tried to follow-up on them. It might be beneficial for you to get the updated links from the sites your referenced so people can view the sources.

      1. why cant we hear from Rick Warren himself if this is not true. Please Rick come forward and tell us it is not true. Hope this gets to Rick. Mary Smalligan

         1. While I don't have direct contact to Pastor Warren, here is how he responded to my brother when asked by him about Chrislam:
            “@chadrob Chad, I’ve never heard of “Chrislam” There’s only 1 Gospel 1 Savior, 1 Way to heaven John 14:6, Eph. 2:8-9″.

            View a screen shot of his tweet <a title="Rick Warren denies Chrislam" href="http://www.p341.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Screen-shot-2011-07-25-at-11.24.46-AM.png&quot; rel="nofollow">here. Or visit <a title="Rick Warren's Twitter Timeline" href="http://twitter.com/#!/rickwarren&quot; rel="nofollow">Rick Warren's twitter timeline and scroll to June 18 to see it for yourself.

            1. Rick also responds in person at http://churchmultiplication.us/?p=3120. He says:

               Several of the above comments are completely incorrect, based on believing 2nd hand false rumors instead of finding out the facts before speaking up. “Only a fool believes all he hears” Proverbs 14:15

               The so-called “Christlam” rumor is 100% false. If the guy who started this libelous myth, or anyone else who passed it on, had obeyed our Lord’s command (Matt. 18:18-20) to come directly to me, and then asked what I actually believed – they would have been embarrassed to learn that I believe the exact opposite. As a 4th generation Christian pastor, my life & ministry is built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.

               As an evangelist, I spend much of my time speaking to non-Christian groups. YOu cannot win your enemies to Christ; only your friends, so we must build bridges of friendship and love to those who believe differently so Jesus can walk across that bridge into their hearts. Besides, it is not a sin, but rather COMMANDED by Jesus that we love our enemies. In the past 10 years, Saddleback Church has baptized over 22,000 new adult believers- simply because we express love to those who dont know Christ yet.

               It is nonsense to believe that you must compromise your beliefs, or water down your convictions in order to love someone, or even just treat them with dignity.

               Jesus was called “the friend of sinners” by the legalistic Pharisees because he hung out with (and clearly loved) unbelievers. I hope YOU will 1) Always believe that EVERYONE needs Jesus as their Lord & Savior. 2) Have the courage to associate with nonbelievers in order to love them and bring them to the Savior. 3) Consider being called “a friend of sinners” a Christlike compliment. 4) Refuse to pass on rumors until you’ve checked for the truth with the person accused.

               I am looking forward to speak at the CMN luncheon in Phoenix and seeing so many of you who are my dear friends. Church planting is the single most effective tool for fulfilling the Great Commission.

            2. We as Believers must also realize we should judge Believers (1 Cor 5:12) by their fruits, not by what they are saying. I believe many examples of what Rick is involved in have been posted in these comments.

               Only God can judge Rick's heart, I believe we are all in agreement about that, but we must also look at the fruit, test the spirit's, in whom we receive teaching from.

               2 Cor 11:13-14 "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

               Truth be told, God is never going to contradict His Word. We must worship Him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

               "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

               I make reference to the fact that Rick has no problem with seeking wisdom from pagans. Is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is a Religious Advisory Council member for Tony Blair's Faith and Globalization (who wants to unite religions of the world), has electronically signed a statement with Yale University in regards to Muslims, the list goes on.

               If you will start to take notice, Rick Warren is a "flatterer." He's very good at it too…a trait that is not becoming of a servant of Christ. He wants to remain a friend of the world and what does the Word say about wanting to be a friend of the world?

               "You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." James 4:4

               Here is just one example of many of Rick being a flatterer. He made "comments" about the gay community just prior to this…here he is trying to patch it up with Melissa Etheridge. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-etheridge/t…

               He is fully aware of what he is doing. Listener beware. Use Scripture as your plumb line, not Rick Warren.

            3. Tracy – the passage in 2 Corinthians 11 has to be taken in context. Verse 4 says:
               "4 You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed."

               The sign of a false prophet is they preach a different Jesus, than Jesus who was crucified and rose again. That is the key.

               As for James 4:4, again to use this in the context of being friends with people who not Christ followers is wrong. The context is quite humorous in this argument. Verses 1-3 are clear:
               " What is causing the quarrels and fights among you? Don’t they come from the evil desires at war within you? 2 You want what you don’t have, so you scheme and kill to get it. You are jealous of what others have, but you can’t get it, so you fight and wage war to take it away from them. Yet you don’t have what you want because you don’t ask God for it. 3 And even when you ask, you don’t get it because your motives are all wrong—you want only what will give you pleasure."

               Friendship with the world comes when we seek what brings us pleasure. It has nothing to do with engaging a relationship and being a friend with someone who doesn't follow Christ.

               The humor comes from the idea James 1 talks about. James is talking to the church and asks the question of "what causes quarrels and fights among you?" They are 1) Not getting what we want, 2) jealousy, 3) selfishness.

               It's funny and at the same time disappoints me that there are many people are fighting over this. I believe it's wrong.

         2. Hello Mary,

            I am AMAZED, how Christians will pass on rumors based on lies! Gee, that's not very Christ-like to spread false rumors! Isn't the Devil the father of all lies!? I found this an article with Rick Warren's own comments:
            http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastors-answer-…

            Warren’s comment:

            Several of the above comments are completely incorrect, based on believing 2nd hand false rumors instead of finding out the facts before speaking up. "Only a fool believes all he hears" Proverbs 14:15

            The so-called "Chrislam" rumor is 100% false. If the guy who started this libelous myth, or anyone else who passed it on, had obeyed our Lord's command (Matt. 18:18-20) to come directly to me, and then asked what I actually believed – they would have been embarrassed to learn that I believe the exact opposite. As a 4th generation Christian pastor, my life & ministry is built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.

            As an evangelist, I spend much of my time speaking to non-Christian groups. You cannot win your enemies to Christ; only your friends, so we must build bridges of friendship and love to those who believe differently so Jesus can walk across that bridge into their hearts. Besides, it is not a sin, but rather COMMANDED by Jesus that we love our enemies. In the past 10 years, Saddleback Church has baptized over 22,000 new adult believers – simply because we express love to those who don’t know Christ yet.

            It is nonsense to believe that you must compromise your beliefs, or water down your convictions in order to love someone, or even just treat them with dignity.

            Jesus was called "the friend of sinners" by the legalistic Pharisees because he hung out with (and clearly loved) unbelievers. I HOPE YOU will 1) Always believe that EVERYONE needs Jesus as their Lord & Savior. 2) Have the courage to associate with nonbelievers in order to love them and bring them to the Savior. 3) Consider being called "a friend of sinners" a Christ-like compliment. 4) Refuse to pass on rumors until you've checked for the truth with the person accused. The false statements above should be removed.

            God bless you.
            Rick Warren

            I love Rick's quote of Prov. 14:15 "only a fool believes all he hears!"

   2. Hey Geoffrey, I think you need o realize that in a lot of the Christian world outside of the US and Europe God is referred to as Allah in the Bible, In the Arabic Bibles, in Malay and Indonesian Bibles. So the whole 'idol' issue is really not valid. It can be used very much the same way as people like Don Richardson quoted in his books regarding missionaries who found tribal peoples worshiping the One True God only with an indigenous name. In Malaysia our Bibles are being held back because they don't want us to use them. I think we need to go a little beyond these issues.

      1. I am a Malaysian and Guy Rozairo got it right. "Allah" is merely an Arabic word for "God". It's a contraction of "al-illah" — "the God". "Illah" is the Arabic cognate of "Elohim" — which is one of the most common words for God in the Hebrew Bible!

         So, if you say it's illegitimate for Christians to use "Allah" then you're going against the Hebrew Bible!

         Here's a link to the Indonesian Genesis 1:1 showing you the use of "Allah" in the Bible: http://www.bit.net.id/SABDA-Web/Kej/T_Kej1.htm#1:…

   3. and sadly, just now on Twitter, I see that Rick Warren has quoted from the Quaran…it sickens me. My heart is very heavy right now.

      1. Don't be sickened. That verse was Indonesian for Proverbs 17:22. That was not the Quaran.

   4. I think the root problem is in the fact that Rick Warren is falling into a humanism trap. The notion of helping people world wide and making the world a better place is all good but when you try and do it just with human organizations and not the true God you fall into an ugly trap. I may be focued to much on end times and have tunnel vision when it comes to seeing an up rise of Islam but I feel that Rick Warren is become unequally yoked . I don't believe for a minute is is siding with Islam but is playing a risky game with the devil thinking he can go into thier world and not be effected. Just my thought for what it is worth.

2. Kasey –

   Thank you for posting this response as a reminder to us to dig deeper into articles posted on the internet. Even though I don't agree with everything Rick Warren says and does, we need to see the whole story before we spread false news about somebody. The good news is both Mr. Grider and Mr. Warren are trying to advance the Kingdom of God. Paul says it best; "Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will. The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds. But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. " Philipinas 1:15 – 18.

   1. Read Galations 1, 1-7. Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      Oh and by the way, Islam came to be in the yr 610 AD. Muhammad said that an angel brought him the message. If that is true, then rely on the above verse. Funny, how God new that Satan would try this, so he tells us in advance and yet we are to blind to see.

3. I'm curious to see why Jack Van Impe has these very same claims about Rick Warren. Is he just taking them from these blogs or does he have info we can't find? Warren Smith who was a former New-Ager recognized a lot of New Age doctrine in the book the purpose driven life. Like my pastor told me: it is best to focus on the Bible and get to know the truth so that you can recognize the false teachings when they come. We are to test every spirit. Trust me, I've tried to point some things out that weren't sitting right with me, but no one would believe that Warren could be a false teacher. Just beware because there are those with an all inclusive view of salvation (Jesus isn't the only way to heaven) and that Jesus is being reinvented and the cross discarded. If Rick Warren really is into Chrislam you definitely will not find it on the internet – they would make sure of that!

   1. I hesitate to ask this because I have not verified it; but I heard that Jack Van Impe is no longer on TBN because he dared to come out against Chrislim.
      I will have to read The Purpose Driven Life because you need to be more specific about "new age doctrine". Being "new age" does not make a doctrine false. The Trinity is a new age doctrine but I find it totally supported by scripture.

   2. Jack Van Impe has all the backup. And take in consideration that Rick Warren also said to take the cross inside and outside the churches down. The problem is that no one wants to believe that there are pastors out there that aint bold in there beliefs in jesuschrist. But it seems like a lot of churches are getting wishy washy. And i do think that we have to study the word more and accept the fact that it is written about the church in the last days. I thank GOD for Jack Van Impe that he stands boldly in the word.

   3. 2 Peter 2:1-3. Jack Van Impe. Does what he say, 1. lead me to Christ, 2. align itself with the clear and complete teachings of the Bible, 3. Strengthen my faith, 4. turn me from wrongdoing, 5. find wide acceptance and affirmation by other Christians, 6. build up the body of Christ? NO.

4. Hm. This maybe says it best:
   "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols?" 2 Cor. 6;14-15

   1. Dave,
      Thanks so much for summarizing this whole mess with the best and most appropriate verse from God's Word. I cannot believe some of the lame defense people are giving this man. I saw a video of him proclaiming loudly that people should support Prop. 8 in California REJECTING the change of law to allowing homosexuals to marry. Then, some months later, a saw a video of Warren on Larry King saying, "I have NEVER support Prop. 8, EVER or giving any indication that I am against gay marriage. I apologize to my gay friends if they somehow got that idea." A blatant, willful liar is all I need to know to reject someone as a false teacher.

      1. I don't claim to know anything personally regarding Mr. Warren but it seems to me the Apostle Paul here is referring specifically to the marriage bond. As Christians we have our walking papers when Christ tells us to 'make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father , Son, and Holy Spirit'. I'm not sure how we could possibly fulfill this command if we didn't affiliate and even at times befriend those of other faiths and persuasions. Certainly we NEVER drift away from any of the essential Christian doctrines, but how can you ever expect anyone to accept what you want to share with them concerning Christ without first establishing a relationship? As they say, people don't care how much you know (or in this case about whom you know!) until they know how much you care!

5. Will saddleback read out of the koran this sunday? Also, Jesus is not God's only Son, He is His only "begotten" Son. I am a son of God thru faith by grace. Jesus always gave grace to the humble and law to the proud. They must see themselves lost and on their way to an everlasting fire we call Hell!!! Compromise is not the answer, Romans 12: 1-2. If preachers would preach on and against sin and the coming judgement of God, then tell the unsaved(not the "unchurched" as liberal pastors including Rick Warren teach) about how much God loved them, that Jesus left Heaven and died on the cross for them, then resurrected from the dead, then maybe they will be saved. Love cannot save anyone!!! If it could, then Jesus would not have had to die
   at Calvary!!! Preach the Word—-All of It. Not just what we think sounds good.

6. Hi everyone: I just want to speculate a little bit here about what I noticed about what I just heard Rick warren the first link given, and again this is just specualtion on my part. I noticed when Rick warren spoke about peace, the greater good, and globaliztion, because that's the exact type of words I would expect to hear from a new global government and world religion, so in my opinion Rick Warren most certainly was using terminology I would expect to hear the antichrist use when he comes in on a peace platform, of course I also said the same thing about President Obama before he was even elected.

   Rick Warren seemed more like a new world order political diplomat using terminology I would expect to hear from Obama or the new antichrist as he presents a false peace messge to the world. So it's not what i heard Rick warren claimimg to be, as much as the terminology format he used in his speech. (But 'm not saying Rick Warren is the antichrist) i just think he used similar terminology i would expect to hear from the false prophet that Revelation speaks about.

7. Muslims believe:

   1.Jesus is said to return to earth in the last days ner mosque in Damascus.
   2. He will be a faithful Muslim
   3. He will make a pilrimage to Mecca
   4. He will visit Muhammad's grave and salute Muhammad, whereby Muhammad will return the salute from the grave.
   5. He will destroy Christianity.
   6. He will repeal the jizyah tax, Thus leaving Jews and Christians only the options of conversion to Islam or death.
   7. He will establish Islamic Shariah law Througout the Entire earth.
   8. He will kill the Antchrist and his followers made up largely of Jews.
   9. He will remain on the earth for roughly forty years, during which time he will marry, have children, and then die.

   Notice in number 7 above, where they believe Jesus will establish Islamic Shariah law throughout the entire earth, also notice above in number 5, that muslims believe Jesus will come back and destroy Christianity. (Link to Sariah law being planted in the US.)
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7iHxl90CD0&pl…

   1. Are you a Muslim due to fear of being killed or do you actually believe you can live 51% of your life rightously or are you worried you may fall short and you will have to kill Jews, Christians or infidels to make it? I am assured of where I am going thru my faith in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of my sins. I changed my life in service to him not because of fear, but because he reached out to me with Lolve when I was unlovable. My Lord is a creator, not a destroyer, and he would never have me destroyor kill what he has created just to get into Heaven. Why would God create life only to have one group kill another to get into heaven? I would lay my life down, not thru suicide and killing of others, but I live my life as an example of the love God has shown me. There are 2 ways to get to heaven either by living a sinless life or asking God for forgiveness of my sins thru the sacrifice of his Son(Jesus Christ). If you break the law you will do the time, in the Muslim world you believe you can break more laws thru murder/suicide and be justified by Allah. 2 plus 2 equals 5,

   2. Whoooooaaaa, are they in for a surprise!! Every single item listed is pure blasphemy against the ONLY TRUE God and His SON!! Our God is a jealous god and doesn't take kindly to having his Holy Word twisted, tweaked and thwarted to "fit in" to islamic rhetoric. Every single thing that they speak and write is "taqiyya" – lies and paraphrasing – of the Holy Tanakh. The muslims are in for a rude awakening when Jesus returns and speaks for Himself!! I'm looking forward to that day. (Now don't carry on about my "capitalization" – it's intentional!)

8. For my thoughts about Chrislam read on my website article titled: "New World Government & Religion" at:
   https://sites.google.com/site/jesusourcreator/hom…

   The Bottom Line Is: Islam isn't ChristianI Nor Jewish! Nor any other religion but Islam.

   CAIR's founding chairman, Omar Ahmad, moreover, has flatly argued Shariah law should replace the U.S. Constituti¬on.

   Quote fromOmar Ahmad "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant," he told a Muslim audience in Fremont, Calif., in 1998. "The Quran should be the highest authority in America."

   The source of the quote above came from:

   http://www&not;.wnd.com/i¬ndex.php?f¬a=PAGE.vie¬w&pageId=2¬82733

9. Islam isn't a religion about peace, nor are muslims taught peace. Here's a muslim TV children's video link put out by Christians unted for Israel on facebook, that's teaching the slaughter of Jews. Once again I must say that the new movement called Chrislam to combine Chrsitianity with Islam is the new false religion that will be the religion of the new world order or global government, that will eventually be hostile to Jews and Christians, and I just heard Rick Warren using terminology I would expect to hear from the new world order or global government.
   http://facebook.cufi.org/2011/06/video-hamas-chil…

   Apart from Rick Warren, I want to say that islam itself isn't a religion that teaches peace, and it's not a religion that preaches tolerance for any other religion. Islam is a religion that's out to destroy every other religion with effort to make islam the only religion in the world, and that is the true agenda of islam and muslims. I believe Chrislam is an attempt to destroy Christianity from within itself.

   1. ISLAM WORSHIPS THE DEVIL. ! PERIOD !

10. I'm reposting this quote from Omar Ahmad, to re-enter the source link to it, because the link didn't work in my post above, so I'm just giving a corrected link to it.

    CAIR's founding chairman, Omar Ahmad, moreover, has flatly argued Shariah law should replace the U.S. Constituti¬on.

    Quote fromOmar Ahmad "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant," he told a Muslim audience in Fremont, Calif., in 1998. "The Quran should be the highest authority in America."

    The source of the quote above came from:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag…

11. Man created religion, not God. People hate and judge these days, just like Jesus was hated and judged. Please rely on the word of God written in the Bible and not man. Pastor Rick himself is human and not without flaws, just like all of us. He without sin cast the first stone. I know we are in the end of times because of the way people are turning on each other instead of focusing on Jesus and loving one another. By the way, Pastor Rick Warren baptized me and is my Pastor and only God has the right to judge. Please stop criticizing and judging–start praying and loving each other. For your own sake. Blessings and Love.

    1. please ask your pastor Rick Warren to reply to all these comments if they are not true and he is not trying to unite Christians with Islam then he should say so. I for one do not want to believe what I hear but if it comes from his mouth that wll settle it. thanks

12. This is one of the final signs of Christs return,one world religion,when this happens it reminds me of the desolation spoke of .all these things must come to pass, and they will ,but woe to them ,The remnant is getting smaller .The spirit of Elijah will be on th remnant and will deal with the false prophets and jezibel.When a real prophet of God speaks what God tells him to speak,then we will see fire called down ,then we see the spirit of jezibel destroyed. there is a raging fire shut in my bones right now,a Godly fire to be released ,we are in the eleventh hour my brothers and sisters ,be not decieved,and one better head the counsil of the Holy Spirit regarding this movement.I warn you all I warn you with the fear of the Lord .Fire is coming a holy cleansing fire,amen

    1. God has allways had a remnant of rightesness and holyness.the rosolve that this remnant will become more evident,as the day will declare it.many will depart from the faith and still remain in a church.deception allways has a nice vail of truth in front otherwise you would see and not be decieved.a group named Chicago had a song out back in the 70:s' DOES ANYBODT REALLY KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS" we seeing 11"th hour manifestations around the globe.prophecy spoke of is unfolding very very fast,and Jesus will return as a theif in the night if you are not watchfull………………watch and see that noone decieves you !

       1. Hey I love that song and Chicago 😉

          1. Me too! Linda

13. Surely I am coming quickly. Rev22:20

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15. False teacher is what he is, try and defend him if you wish, but the truth is the truth.

16. Let's be a little more clear on the matter…Would Pastor Warren speak at a KKK convention or at a Satanic church and use phrasing like, "We need to work together to end Predjudices" about our beliefs? He wouldn't do it because it is too obvious. Don't get me wrong, I will be the last to accuse a pastor of wrong doing but it is my humble opinion that Rick Warren made a major mistake by speaking at the ISNA convention.

    1. Did all the others listen to the entire speech or just part. I didn't hear him compromise his beliefs not at all. Jesus came to save everyone. Matthew 5:44-48. We are to also love our enemies. I believe he was invited to speak at this convention he didn't request the speaking engagement. How can we expect to be received if we continue to close ourselves off from the lost. We are to be like salt of the earth and the light of the world. Come on Brothers & Sister's were is the LOVE OF JESUS!

       1. We regularly pray for the Middle East and for a visitation of God among the Muslims. We've visited Egypt and found many Muslims that don't really even read the Koran…just like Chrsitians don't read the Bible. Muslims are accepting Jesus! There is a lot happening. But the way to win the Muslims is not by working WITH them on social issues "to wipe our poverty and disease" – as is being done – it is by them seeing and hearing the transforming work of Jesus in our lives! The poverty and disease is dealt with as we love and disciple them as we preach the gospel. Jesus never fed the hungry without preaching the Word of God to them too!

          1. "But the way to win the Muslims is not by working WITH them…"

             "Jesus never fed the hungry without preaching the Word of God to them too!"

             The point and purpose of the concept of working WITH the unsaved, Muslim or otherwise, is that it gives you a much better opportunity to "preach the Word of God to them." Certainly a much better opportunity than you'd have standing off to the side watching them work while you preach at them. Poverty and disease et al. are dealt with as poverty and disease are dealt with. Use it as an opportunity to evangelize.

             Working w/ Muslims or any other group on social issues and preaching the Gospel are not two mutually exclusive activities. " People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." is a truism. It's become almost a cliche, but it is a truism. By that I mean that it's not universally true and applicable at all times in all situations, but it's usually a good place to start.

             And let's not forget that the Word in James tells us that "faith w/out works is dead".

17. I'm new to this whole concept. There seems to be much confusion, not aboue Chrislam, but whether Rick Warren is a propent of Chrislam. I emailed my pastor whom I trust, and from his response: Rick Warren .believes in the uniqueness of the revelation of God in Jesus Christ, and the exclusivity of salvation through his cross.
    I can't speak to the wisdom of Pator Warren's remarks, or what his purpose was. I haven't researched it. But I am comforted that he holds to the non-negotiable tenets of the New Testament.
    It is right and proper to test, as the Bereans, the truth of what you hear, but we need to be careful that we don't devour one another.

    1. You spoke my mind, Delbert! We Christians are often too quick to turn the gun barrel on our own fellow soldiers. I believe Bro. Rick has a passion to try to reach those living in the darkness of Islam and has devoted himself to helping them see the light. He can't do that by shunning them and acting as though if he gets in their presence he will get dirty. I may be gullible, but I'm not willing to throw Bro. Rick under the bus when I see his critics taking his comments out of context and chopping them up into little misleading segments. That's just like what our liberal national media does to Christians. With "friends" like this in the Christian community, who needs enemies?

18. I was going to say a few things but Michelle nailed it. Why do we always take shots at people who are creatively trying to find new ways to love people?

19. I do not think anyone can fault Pastor Warren for his motivation. Humanistically speaking, it is a noble thing that he has been attempting to do. However, it is that Humanism that is a more than just a slippery slope, it is the banana peel of a sure slip. It is dangerous to Christianity, to the Church, to attempt or succeed to appease Muslims, or to unite them with Christians under a flag of truce by doctrinal commonality for the sake of world peace or brotherhood. For what does Light and Dark have in common? For light to unite with dark, is for light to either be extinguished, or to dim, and be not light but a watered-down, luke-warm gray.__Regarding commonalities and parallels between these two faiths that might be used to create an atmosphere of brotherly love: It was the creator of Islam, Muhammad, who copied and reformed what he had learned from Christian disciples and Jewish practicioners while on his travels as a young person (This is well documented). He has much in common with America's Joseph Smith, being not a believer and follower of Christ he cut and pasted various doctrines and scriptures and fused them with the ideas he wished to pursue to redefine Christianity into a cult. Muhammed did the same with Christo-Judean concepts and merged these with his own desert religion concepts borrowed from native desert pagan deities. Muslims have attempted to forge friendships with me as a fellow 'Descendent of Abraham' or 'Faith Cousin/Brother'…and upon those grounds, I cannot. Nor should any consciencious, faithfully devoted disciple of Christ. One cannot say 'Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life' with one breath, and in the next breath be in agreement on faith with a Muslim, or Hindu, or etc. A functioning friendship and peace with mutual repect can be established between any two peoples, but beware subtleties that lead to denying Christ.__It was mentioned that Paul once appealed to the Sophs of Athens with the concept of 'The Unknown God' – and to those who have studied their New Testament they would know that Paul failed to pierce their conscience with his educated and philosophical words, and thereafter committed to preach and forever only preach Christ crucified as the power of the Gospel.__Paul already knew Christ was the only way to be saved, to be justified, but he learned that day that he could not befriend others on their terms to bring them to the Gospel. Apart from Christ front and center to all his doings and sayings his labors were fruitless. To do otherwise, is to deny Christ before men by claiming Christianity but never revealing that Christ IS Savior, or to deny Christ by merely not mentioning the fact that you are a Christian for fear of offence.__We must remember that it was not Samson's enemies who desired to be like him, it was his enemies that desired that Samson should lower himself to be equal with them. It is the same spirit of the Anti-Christ at work presently in the world that would have the Church thus subdued.__There can be no fellowship with the cup of demons and the cup of Christ. The Church must be alert and aware that the World would seek and IS now seeking a world peace that ushers in or is ushered in by the Anti-Christ in these last days. It is really no concern to a Christian if a Muslim or non-convert wants to make peace with Christians. No, but only to keep their eyes on Jesus. Let the world come to Jesus when they see the Christians keeping themselves as a pure bride for him. We are not Christ's ambassadors for world peace against oppression to fix the wrongs of the world – only to obey Him – Christ will rule with an iron sceptre all the nations on the day God has appointed. __To conclude, building relationships with Muslims or another group is not wrong in itself – and that is not what bothers those who accuse Pastor Warren and others. It is their concern that such persons who are in positions of authority to influence Christ's own are giving way to subtle but severe alterations in their standing with the Lord. Regardless of the veracity on the other side of these accusations, the Church need be alert, aware, and awoken!__"For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." 1 Cor. 2:2

    1. Thank YOU, Daniel. We are to love the muslims, but we Christians must NEVER be seen as possibly aligning ourselves with them. islam is the faith of Satan and muslims are forbidden to make friends with us "infidels." So sharing the Christian faith with them is a tricky matter – better to witness by example, rather than words. Rick Warren is sooooo highly respected as a dedicated, true Christian minister I know he would never knowingly attempt to merge Christianity with islam (Chrislam) – he knows they are incompatible. We should get along, but they will never accept our friendship, unless they too are "born again" and accept the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Yes, even a raving, screaming, sword-wielding jihadist muslim can be accepted into God's kingdom through faith and forgiveness in Jesus Christ.

20. Ok so if Rick Warren says he isn't involved and Jack Van Impe says he is …. who's telling the truth? Can't believe every word you read or hear. If they don't preach according to the word of God and everything they do or say doesn't follow the Bible then we shouldn't believe it. Look for the red flags in what people say and do. you will know the truth if you are reading your Word and have a relationship with Christ!

    1. I believe that Rick Warren is trying to usher a one world religion, You need to know that Warren is friends with Oprah, Dr. Oz, and Robert Schuller. These people believe in new age and believe that there are more ways to Jesus, when in fact there isn't. Warren is misguided and trying to bring the Bible and koran side by side to not offend the muslims. Mr. Jack van Impe is in fact correct in his statement about warren. If anyone has warren's address, I would like to return his book to him, purpose driven, I have no use for his lies. Remember it was said, some will turn against there faith. and warren is a wolf in sheep clothes in my opinion. ty

21. Good word Kasey.

22. Funny thing about the article you wrote here about carelessness in reporting. Rick Warren appealed to Allah and the Muslim community for forgiveness not in 2009, but in December of 2007, but thanks for the reminder that we must dig deeper to find the truth.

    1. Oh… I was trusting that the title of the youtube clips were correct saying that it was the 2009 convention. Thanks for the clarification.

23. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it is a duck. Oh I'm sorry am I sterotyping? But, you are what you protray yourself to be. If that is sterotyping then so be it. My Bible says there is One Faith, One Lord. That says in fact that all other faiths and lords are wrong and are not eternally satisfying. If anyone trys to blend anything with the Word of God to please or pacify anyone, it is wrong and the Bible clearly condems it. Can we work together to bring about peace? That is debatable. True peace is only obtainable through a relationship with the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ.

    To call Rick Warren and those mentioned "chrislams" I will not do. I will only say this "if you walk like and Christian, talk like a Christian and act like a Christian…you just might be a Christian." Yes, we are to love our neighbor and we show that love by presenting to them the Gospel…that Jesus is the Son of God and died for their sins and rose again and is now seated at the right hand of God interceding for us and them.

    The Bible plainly states that by their fruits you shall know them.

    1. What fruit did he display? I Saw & heard a man reaching out to the lost opening dialog with people who hate us. Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute us. If Christians (True Christ Follower's) we need to show love to our enemies to show them by example the Love of Christ! The Quran speaks of Hate not Love…..But it does mention Jesus as a Prophet and they are probably easier to walk to the light than people who have no beliefs! We can only share the love of Jesus if we open the dialog with love!

24. Whoa everybody. One of Satan's most powerful strategies is division. Some of you are being used as dupes,
    launching fiery missiles into the Body of Christ. Rick Warren preaches the pure gospel. He is frequently accused of all sorts of heresies, none of which I have seen substantiated. Take "evil associations." He has a burden for the lost, including AIDS sufferers and Muslims. How can he win them if he doesn't associate with them? Until the current flap about "Chrislam" arose, he had never heard of it. Does it hurt him? Of course it does, but if he took time to respond to every attack he wouldn't get much ministry done, so he soldiers on. Check your facts before touching the Lord's anointed. Slander is a serious sin (the Ninth Commandment.) Pray for him. Don't shoot at him.

    1. I do pray for him, and I pray for those who align themselves with him. His steps for becoming a purpose driven church are akin to alot of what Obama is doing with hiding anything related to the Cross or the Bible. Don't say anything about Hell, and don't give an invitation at the service. You're right we're talking about a division being created; I pray that is not his goal! We all have to guard against apostasy.

    2. I think that Pastor Warren made a mistake speaking to the Muslims, they won't be won that way or in that manner – making friends and working together to solve the problems of poverty and disease? And so what "gospel" will be preached/shared with those we help? Islam or Christianity? It sounds noble, but in the end is a waste of Pastor Warren's influence and platform.

    3. This is the best comment I have read. Don't we know that slanderers and gossipers are right there with the drunkards and homosexuals, the word of God says that you are sinners. People this is what is being done to Rick Warren, you are playing right into Satan's hand, he loves it when we slander our own believers. We need to pray for these people who are speaking this way.

    4. jimmy, if warren is denying Chrislam, then he is lying. He is not trying to win the souls of muslims. He is trying to bring Christianity and islam together , hence one world religion, and he doesn't speak about the cross or the blood of Jesus because it will offend muslims, you need to investigate this more. I researched this march of 2011 and was very disturbed to find the facts.

       1. I've read purpose driven church and purpose driven life, neither have new age ideas because it is the new age ideas that have scriptural truth and context.As for facts that Rick Warren is supporting the Muslim belief I have investigated too and found none that are valid. Only quotes that are third party endorsed supporting an anti-Warren agenda. Everyone says they have facts but no one reveals their sources.I've listened to and read a lot of Rick Warren material and never did I once see he was preach another gospel than Jesus as the only way.Kasey

    5. Looks like Satan loses (most of) this round – many of us banded together in defense of Pastor Warren!! Too bad Lucifer, maybe you can score next time around!!!

25. As far as I can tell Our Jesus the Christ is not the one mentioned in the Quran. Our Jesus is the Son of God, theirs is not. Ours is virgin born, theirs is not. Different person. Their Allah is totally intolerant of anyone who does not believe as they do and in their own bible they are told to kill the infidels. (I read it with my own eyes.) Our God says to love and convert them, not kill them. What similarities is there? I also worked with a few Muslims. They were heavily proselyting Christians there and that's OK, But if we try to win them to Christ. They got violent and even threatened to have me fired for even talking to them about Jesus. How can they get away with it in the workplace and I cannot? How can we work in peace with a group of people who for thousands of years have tried to eliminate Jews and now us?
    Do I hate. "NO!" I think its unfair that they get privileges that I am not allowed because they are Muslim and I am Christian. I would that they all would come to the knowledge of Christ and get saved. Then and only then could there be peace and cooperation between us. It is not the Christian who is violent, terrorist, bombing, torturing, demanding and more. Extremist? Notice that the peaceful ones protect and honor those extremist. Notice their flag… two swords under the Quran speaks of their intent.
    Read about what the Muslims are doing in Michigan and in law. IF we as Christian were as bold and strong as they. there would be no divided nation today. They tired this 40 years ago and gave us as we were to strong a nation. now look what we have become. Jesus did not tolerate such co-operation. Who bewitched you?
    I am after Gods heart. I do as He leads me. As His word says, I love my neighbor, and he can watch me be a Christian. But I do not hang with him. Had a neighbor who was a drug dealer, didn't hang with him to win him over either. What does Solomon say about bad company corrupting good morals? Look what mingling with his pagan wives did to Solomon. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

    1. We as the Light of the world, must live by example of Christ Love! Pray for the Lord to use you in the work place as an example of his saving Love and Grace and Mercy. Everything can be an opportunity to plant the seed toward Salvation! God Bless you

    2. Way to go Dr. Don! Jesus wouldn't want you hanging with your drug dealer neighbor, or prostitutes, or adulterers…he wants you to be ceremonially clean (sarcasm). Dr. Don, it sounds like the history you're repeating is that of the hard hearted Pharisees who were more concerned with their own holiness than the lost and broken in their midst – and, historically speaking, you'll recall Jesus wasn't too happy about it, in fact, He said he wanted mercy, not sacrifice – James echoes this in James 2 when he says that mercy triumphs over judgment. Mercy is not agreement or acceptance, it's love and concern. I'm frankly shocked at your pietistic view of following Christ – Jesus' parting shot was for us to "Go into the WORLD (the broken sinful one) and make disciples (out of people who were lost), teaching them to obey."

       1. Amen! Couldn't have said it better myself… thanks, Carl.

    3. Amen Dr. Don!!!!! I could NOT have said this any better. God Bless you.

       1. Lourann, you are absolutely correct. You know better than Rick Warren. and the heads and committees of all those churches that have embraced Chrislam.

    4. Hi Dr Don,
       I think there is a difference with the concept of "loving your neighbour" and becoming "bossom buddies" so to speak. I don't think anyone is saying – hang out with them like long lost pals – I think what is relevant here is – you can't ignore the fact that they are lost and needing a light in the dark. How can we minister or witness to them if we duck and dive and avoid them… Jesus came for the lost… there is countless testimonies of muslims that have found Christ from a Christian being available to minister to them… God knows the right time and nobody needs to bible punch. The best idea is to live in the light before their eyes – the time will come for God to move. It's not about accepting their belief system, but showing them love. Let's just live for Christ as living witnesses.

26. Rick Warren signed "A Christian's Response to the – A Common Ground between Us" letter. This letter states that Christian and Muslims worship and have the same God. Well this is not so…Allah and the God of the bible are not the same God. Muslims do not accept Jesus as son of God bc to them they would have to accept a female counterpart for God and they do not believe in Allah having anyone else. Another words they do not believe in God the father, God the Son (in Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit. Sooo, Rick signed saying his Muslims brothers god is his god. Yes, I did not capitalize bc Rick does serve a god not the God. Also Rick Warrens Daniel Plan is put together by three doctors who practice paganism in the way of yoga and meditation. Dr. Oz one of the three is a Muslim and practices yoga and transcendental meditation daily. The other doctors also advocate meditation, yoga and a also kundalini yoga……Now this is fruit that we can judge…and it stinketh from Mr. Rick.

    1. Also, these three doctors were at the initial unveiling of this "health" plan. They spoke from Rick's church stage and gave their websites for those to go to who wanted….Guess what Dr Oz has when you open his? Oh, just Deepak Chopra on his show giving everyone the lowdown on how to go into meditation….nice to pass onto your gullible church audience and thousands of others who will just see the plan and the doctors and believe that Rick endorses their beliefs….

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28. We are not to enter covenant with the nations that do not fulfill the faith of the Jewish Messiah

29. I have to admit, as a Christian, I know almost nothing about Islam or what they believe. I think about 90% of the Church is that way, maybe more. We need to know what WE believe and why and we need to know what Islam believes and why. Our Pastors need to be teaching our people what is going on in the world today as far as Bible Prophecy is concerned. If you can turn on your TV and see all these signs of floods, earthquakes, famines, wild weather patterns, signs in the heavens etc and not realize something is about to happen, then you better make an altar somewhere and kneel down and ask God for forgiveness and ask Jesus into your life. The church is getting ready to go home and whether you believe it or not, Jesus is about to return for those that belong to Him. I strongly urge all Christians to get into the Word like never before and draw as close to Jesus as you possibly can. If your Pastor is getting into this Chrislam you better leave there in a hurry. If you can't find a good church then worship in your home but whatever you do, fall down on your knees and worship the ONE true God, the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus said in John 3:16 "For God (NOT ALLAH) so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." Brothers and Sisters in Christ, do not be deceived. There is only ONE way to God and to heaven and that is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. May God bless and keep you and guide you in His truth in these last days.

    1. Beautifully said.

    2. You're right, DMW, we are in the last days. That's why I think we need to keep our focus on the Great Commission and being obedient to our call to following Christ.

30. Amen, Michelle!

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32. Well written article. Good job.

33. In reference to number 5. Rick Warren never said it. He did apply his signature to a letter along with a gazillion others to a letter from the Yale Center for faith and Culture called "A Christian Response to 'A Common word between us and You.'"

    Here are a few links to the appropriate sites for more research on the issue. I agree with you.

    http://www.yale.edu/faith/acw/acw.htm

    http://www.acommonword.com/index.php?lang=en&amp;…

    http://www.gcmwatch.com/7346/is-tbn-silencing-god…

34. http://www.yale.edu/faith/acw/acw.htm

    http://www.acommonword.com/index.php?lang=en&amp;…

    http://www.gcmwatch.com/7346/is-tbn-silencing-god…

    These are a few links related to this. I totally agree with you. In regards to number 5, Warren never said it. He did add his digital signature along with a gazillion others to the letter "A Christian Response" which I believe contains that line.

    1. Thanks for the links Paul. I'll check them out.

35. Rick Warren is a Wolf! My spirit tells me so. Stop trying to make excuses for him.

    1. Not making excuses, just stating the facts I see. I'd be careful labeling someone a "wolf" who isn't a wolf just because you feel a certain way.

36. I believe that who ever the false prophet is that he will deceive many . The deciever will come as a wolf in sheeps clothing . We need to take a long hard look at scripture and pray for understanding that we are not deceived.there is a time coming that the scriptures will be fulfilled.
    The things the deciever says are going to be sweet to the ears and look very good to the world but in that is the deception.all the things Rick says in the video sure sounds sweet and feels right but is it really?
    So be slow to judge and be studied in the word and fervent in prayer so that we are ready to make the right decisions in all we do and say.

    1. I agree John, we need to be slow to judge. The reason is, because the same standards we judge others by will be the same standards we are judged by.

       We are called to judge believers, but we are to judge them by their fruit. To put Rick Warren in the same category of a "wolf in sheep's clothing," is a scary statement to be accountable for.

       Having listened to the videos mentioned here, following Rick Warren on twitter and reading his books I can't say his message about the cross and Jesus Good News is compromised. While some may not like his methods (for whatever reasons), his message and motives are centered around glorifying Christ and fulfilling the Great Commission.

       1. Interesting to remember the Scriptures from Matthew 7:21-23:

          “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

          These people are going to call themselves Believers and they are going to say to the Lord Jesus Himself because He is who they believe they are serving, they are not following or claiming to follow a false leader.

          So, it's not far fetch to consider Rick Warren in this group BECAUSE of the fruit and that is how Jesus tells us to check. Rick is seeking wisdom for his followers from those that do not follow Christ…but rather pagan ways….no one is denying that Rick Warren isn't well known, many do follow him, this is dangerous because of what he is claiming as "safe to follow, to seek wisdom from" and has the potential of leading so many milk feed Believers down a not so narrow path. The Scriptures are black and white…there is no gray area. This is a tactic that satan himself would want others to follow…Scripture says:

          'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.' Rev 3:15-16

          Rick wants to be a friend to the world. You can't sit on the fence.

          "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

          1. I get advice from doctors all the time who aren't Christ-followers. Does that make me a man of lawlessness?

             If it's a matter of judging deeds, then I want to be careful, because I will be judged by the same standard that I judge others. While we are to judge Christ followers, as you pointed out before, but we are to judge them according to the verse before that:

             1 Cor 5:11
             "11 I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people."

             That's what we are to judge. I don't think Rick Warren meets that criteria.

37. This is exactly what most person do to try and prove their case and defend a Chrislam Preacher like Rick Warren. Where shall I start. How about John 3:16 tjhat you misrepresented to this audience? John 3:16 is for those who believe that the only way to Yahveh (GOD) is through Jesus the Christ. Muslims do not believe this, now do they? If you had continued to read John 3:17 through to the end of the chapter, you would plainly see with eyes of Light that ANY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS BEING THE ONLY WAY TO GOD IS CONDEMNED ALREADY TO DESTRUCTION! JESUS continue to say (about muslims also) that their deeds are evil because JOHN 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. And in John 3:35 Jesus is talking exclusively about those who believe in him, such as were the disciple that he was speaking too. If you like Rick Warren and want to defend him do so without using YESHUA'S WORDS, BECAUSE YOU TOO HAVE TAKEN THE WORD OF GOD OUT OF CONTEXT OR YOU JUST DONT KNOW YOUR BIBLE.

    1. No one has denied that Jesus is the only way to God. Rick. Please don't accuse someone of a stance they have not taken. I don't believe I have taken any words out of context. When I stated that the gospel is a "love gospel" I stand behind that. It is love that sent Jesus to this would to save anyone who believes in Him. It was love that sent Him and that makes it, in my opinion, a "love gospel." That is not out of context.

38. Just so you know, when Paul used the term, "Unknown God", he was talking about the Greek people being so idolatrous that they even had a statue that was labeled "To An Unknown God". They were so worried about appeasing all deities that they made this monument in case they missed someone. That is a far cry from calling the One True God and "unknown God"!!! Now who needs to get their facts straight?

    1. I was using the occurrence in Acts to not parallel the Islamic Allah to YHWH. I was using it to parallel their inclusion of Jesus (as a prophet) in their teachings and then saying that a Christ follower can then use that as common ground as Paul found common ground with the Athenians and the "Unknown God."

       You are correct in saying they wanted to appease all God's so they included this "Unknown God" in their belief system to cover them in case they forgot one.

39. I have a couple questions in regards to his involvements…

    Why is Rick a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?l…

    Why is Rick on Tony Blairs Faith and Globalization Religious Advisory Council? http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/pages/who…

    Why does he seek he wisdom of New Age Guru Doctors when there are PLENTY of Biblically based Christian doctors he could have used for The Daniel Plan?

    I have more, but these are just a few of the questions I have….

    1. Well said Tracy … I was going to comment on the Rick and Tony Blairs Faith and Globalization Religious Advisory Council!
       Beware of Rick Warren! … Stay focused on Jesus and stay in His word … not following after man! … Wake up Christians! … Many Christians are asleep and many are being deceived by so called leaders whom are deceived themselves!!

40. Here's what Syria has to say…

    American Priest Says no Peace without Syria

    Nov 13, 2006

    American Protestant Pastor Rick Warren on Monday said there was no peace in the region without Syria, noting that 80 percent of the American people rejected what the US Administration is doing in Iraq and considered the US policy in the Mideast as wrong.

    Syria’s Grand Mufti Sheikh Badr al-Din Hassoun received the American Pastor in Damascus in which he referred to the importance of spreading culture of amity, peace and coexistence instead of the 'clash of civilizations'.

    The Mufti called for conveying the real image of Syria, national unity and its call to spread peace, amity and justice to the American people which the US administration has distorted their image before the world.

    Pastor Warren expressed admiration of Syria and the coexistence he saw between Muslims and Christians, stressing that he will convey this image to his church and country.

    Mazen / Zahra
    http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2006/11/13/85205.htm

    1. I wish to know what in the heck do we care about peace in the region.

       (Luke 12:51,52) – "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three…"
       Jesus only offer peace to His own: (John 14:27) – "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives, do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.

       We are at peace with others as much as possible but we never submit nor surrender our commission. We do not give a hoot about peace with these other religions. We stand our ground until the Savior of our Souls comes to claim us for eternity.

41. ThanK you for posting this responce. I was greatly blessed by his book The Purpose Driven Life and want to honour Rick as a brother-in-Christ.

42. I agree! Rick Warren is not a Chrislam follower!

    Why we go down these side roads is a notion from the Evil one and not God!

    While Europe & USA are crippled with debt, & many Churches & Christians are too, due to mixing Marxism with Biblical charity! The Bible NEVER forces charity by government or church! This Notion of systemic evil being fixed by secular government has bankrupted the world! The notion that we need to share the fish & bread until everyone is hungry instead of praying that God would multiply our efforts & have abundant left overs… is more Marxism than Biblical! Give cheerfully or you may soon not have any to give!!!

    Chrislam is made up while chrismarxism real!!!

43. Thanks for the time and effort put into the research about this slanderous confrontation. I appreciate Godly men and women who think it is important to stand for God's word. May you be blessed.

44. I would like to point out that we are not called to love everyone. We are called to Love Christians and only Christians and those who are revealed to be the Born Again of God. We are called to preach the Gospel and only the Gospel as we are given it. If we preach the gospelessage and that message be rejected by any we are to let our peace return, shake the dust off our feet and leave that place of Death. The first people that Jesus spoke that to understood what the shaking of the dust off the feet meant. The dust that was on the feet of one after they had walked amoung the dead was to be shaken off one's feet after they had walked in a Cemetery. This was a sign to us that those who refused the Gospel were to be reguarded as dead and were no longer our responsibility. If at some future time those dead people did respond they they would be our associates and Brothers in Christ but not until that time were we to worry ourselves with them.
    Act 13:51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium.

    1. Hey JIROBBI – You stated… "I would like to point out that we are not called to love everyone. We are called to Love Christians and only Christians and those who are revealed to be the Born Again of God."

       That stance and statement is Biblically incorrect. Christ never modeled this or taught this and so to interpret this in such a way is wrong.

45. There have been many times that I've helped someone out but didn't share with them the gospel. I don't think we have to have bread in one hand and then use it as a bait ans switch to share the good news. I believe that Jesus told us to be salt and salt is always salty.

    In Matthew 25:34-40 Jesus tells a parable and about taking care of those who are less fortunate and he doesn't tell us to teach the good news. He says when we serve them, we serve Him.

    "34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

    37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

    40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’"

    I do believe we look for opportunities to use the good works to share the good news. But I believe that doing good deeds builds good will and that gives us the currency to share the good news.

    1. I believe that in the larger picture we take everything together.
       We are given instructions as to certain things. Let us take the example I have used about shaking the dust off our feet and leaving one who has rejected the Gospel with the understanding of what his future is. His fate will be worse than Sodom and Gomorrha.

    2. To say that we are to love and feed them and support their efforts that absolutely oppose us is in error. We are not to win with Good will what the Gospel fails to win. If a receiver is built into that person the Gospel is powerful enough to win their soul. If they are one of His they will respond.
       To support them is to attempt to tear down what we are sent to do. In other words we oppose ourselves. I believe that we, who have the Spirit of God, just know when we meet those who we are to feed and support. In fact this whole thing depends on our having the Spirit of God inside us doing the work. There is a spirit that exists in the world that feeds the hungry and never experiences the New Birth. Without this New Birth there is no purpose at all. We are to feed the hungry members of the Body of Christ in our midst. There should not be a hungry christian anywhere. We are to support them with everything we have.

    3. Mat 25:40 And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'

       I will point out that those being fed were the king's brethern.
       The point is that when some of the servants of Christ, ministers, or private Christians, were in distress for want of the necessaries of life, these gracious souls supplied them with food; which to do, especially in a time of persecution, showed not only love to Christ, but great faith in him, and that they were not ashamed of him, and their profession of him, nor of his poor ministers and members; for this was done by them, not as the effect of mere humanity to the poor in general, but as an instance of affection to Christ's poor; and was done for his sake, and because they belonged to him, were preachers of his Gospel, and professors of his name; and therefore was considered as if done to himself personally. This is not the world at large.

46. I will point out evidence that this Love of each other is for other Christians. The Book of 1 John talks about this love for our Brothers. We are not point to love those who have departed the faith we are not pointed love the AntiChrist and there are many Anti-Christs in the world. If one would stop and think they could see this.

    1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
    1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

    We are to Love each other and only each other. What fellowship has Darkness with Light? We are sent out with one message and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and only that and whoever rejects that are not our Brothers and not subjects of our Love. This message that we are to Love the world and those who are wrapped up in it is in Error.

    1. So are we to love our enemies, only when they are our brother?

       1. I believe that we can take the whole Bible in context and see that we are not to love the enemies of God nor of His people. When one takes the whole into context it would make no sense to love those people.
          Should we love the Anti-Christ? Should we encourage false teaching? Should we love the false teachers and encourage their teaching?
          No, we have clear definition from Jesus Himself about those facts.
          Luk 12:51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.
          Luk 12:52 For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three.

          We are to love fellow Christians who hold to the truth. We are not to love and support those who do not. We carry the Gospel with us and offer it as we go and those who will receive it are born into the family of God and are a part of our family.

          1. 1st. Peace (as used in Luke 12:51) and Love are 2 different things. Peace here is a peace from war. To read it in context, we must understand the context. And yes, he tells us to love these people. I love my son, but I won't always be at peace with him. There will be times I will need to discipline him, but I will do it in love.

       2. We cannot understand the term "Love our enemies" properly out the of context of who we are to support. We can see that our mission is to take the Gospel forth and to shake the dust off our feet where it is rejected. We can see nothing that would allow us to embrace the rejector and continue in his home and support him in his mission. We have clear instructions about that.
          What is not clear is who those enemies that we are to love. Esau is an enemy of Jacob. Are we to love Him? God did not. In fact, a strong reason for the problem is that God loved Jacob and not Esau before either were born. Are we held to a higher standard than God?

          1. I don't think you can say God didn't love Esau. He rejected him. I also believe there was a point that God even turned His back and forsook Jesus (Matthew 27:46). Rejection does not equal not loving.

             We are to wash are feet after we have tried to share with them the good news. In Matthew 10, Jesus sends his apostles out and tells them if their message isn't welcomed to shake the dust off. We can't shake the dust off, without first loving them enough to share the message message of Christ's grace

47. Mat 10:14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
    Mat 10:15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!
    Mar 6:11 And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"
    Jesus did not tell us to love those people. He had hard words for them.

48. Rom 9:13 As it is written, "JACOB I HAVE LOVED, BUT ESAU I HAVE HATED."
    Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
    Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I WILL HAVE COMPASSION."

    The main reason why some Christians reject the biblical understanding of Divine election is because of traditions associated with the love of God.
    We have a tradition that God loves all people in the exact same way and it is a strong one.
    I believe that we can agree here that God's love for Jacob was certainly different than His love for Esau. We all have to conclude this or else the text is meaningless. Just this one verse refutes the idea that God loves everyone in the same way.
    What should amaze us is the fact that God loved Jacob, not that He hated Esau. Neither deserved the love of God. To this very day we find the problems between Jacob and Esau. That is what this is all about. We should not ask why God let some die on 9-11. We should ask God why did you let some live. We all deserve death.

    1. This is in response to your thoughts on Romans 9:13-15 and the comment right above it…

       You're right. We will never understand the love of God, but we can't write people off because they are associated with a bloodline.

       Romans 9:25 says:
       25 Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea, “Those who were not my people, I will now call my people. And I will love those whom I did not love before.”

       Ezekiel 18 says
       "3 As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, you will not quote this proverb anymore in Israel. 4 For all people are mine to judge—both parents and children alike. And this is my rule: The person who sins is the one who will die."

       Paul is emphatic about God showing no favoritism. (Rom 2:2, Eph 6:7, Col 3:25, 1 Tim 5:21) Peter also lets us know that the gospel is for those nations other than Israel. (Acts 10:34)

       You mentioned the verses in Matt 10:14-15 Mark 6:11 – We still should go to the city and share the good news. We should still love people as God loves them, and share with them the Gospel. That is our call. That is our response to what Jesus called us to do.

       We are called by Jesus to go into all nations and preach the gospel. Not just to those we like, are comfortable around, and who agree with us. (Matthew 28:19)

       Jesus then again reminds us in Acts 1:8 that we are to be his witnesses to the ends of the earth.

       To say that God doesn't love the whole world, is to say that John 3:16 is wrong. We can't ignore the call Jesus gave us to give His good news to everyone even if their parents rejected Him 1000's of years ago.

49. Rick Warren does not have a clue when it comes to the context of the entire Bible. From the front to the back we find the same message. We see God offer it all to anyone who could measure up and He points out what it would take to do that. We also see God offer mercy to all who would come to His Mercy and be covered in the Blood of an innocent sacrifice. The story never changes and there is no other way. God gave us the requirements as a school master to point us to the understanding that we fall short.

50. I would like to point this earlier reply out.

    Mat 25:40 And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'

    I will point out that those being fed were the king's brethern.
    The point is that when some of the servants of Christ, ministers, or private Christians, were in distress for want of the necessaries of life, these gracious souls supplied them with food; which to do, especially in a time of persecution, showed not only love to Christ, but great faith in him, and that they were not ashamed of him, and their profession of him, nor of his poor ministers and members; for this was done by them, not as the effect of mere humanity to the poor in general, but as an instance of affection to Christ's poor; and was done for his sake, and because they belonged to him, were preachers of his Gospel, and professors of his name; and therefore was considered as if done to himself personally. This is not the world at large.

51. Mat 25:34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    Mat 25:35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
    Mat 25:36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
    Mat 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?

    The context here is that those brothers doing the Lord's work were taken care of by those on the King's right as they went about doing the work of the King. To attempt to apply this to every hungry person in the world completely distorts God's main work. His main work now is to find those who are lost and in need of mercy and extend it to them for all eternity.

52. Lev 19:16 You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people; nor shall you take a stand against the life of your neighbor: I am the LORD.
    Lev 19:17 'You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
    Lev 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

    We do see God establish guides for His people's dealing with each other. To take the position that we understand Jesus to say that we are to love everybody is an error when we campare the Bible as a whole. I just do not believe that we are to give the same love to the enemies of the gospel that we are to reguard each other with. The Balance of the Word does not support that. I would not support the mistreatment of anyone but I would support allowing our peace return to ourselves and shake the dust acquired and move on to a properly prepared person as God is the one who prepares those in our lives to receive us.

53. Luk 10:30 Then Jesus answered and said: "A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped …certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side……a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side….But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion.
    Here we have one in dire need of assistance and we should help. This is clear to anyone. The certain man needed help right then. The Samaritan was a neighbor in this case and was understood to be of lower class than the Jews of the day yet he helped. This is a good example for us to follow but we are not to assist those who are attempting to destroy the gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not help them in anything they do.
    Bandage their wounds when they have been attacked by thieves but not meet with them for common ground.

54. Right in the middle of Jesus' teaching He make the following statement:

    Mat 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

    Does this sound like we are to just walk around embracing everyone? I suggest that it does not.

    1. But the context of that scripture is in judging others when we ourselves can't see past our own imperfections.

       1. I am sorry but Jesus had moved on and had made his statement about judging others when they had need themselvesof severe penalty inflicted on themselves for their own sins. I understand that I had need and was under sentence for my sinand deserved what Jesus took that I might receive what Jesus deserved. I have no problem understanding my guilt and besause of what Jesus did I can now stand before God and sing a new song. Jesus had moved on in verse 6to the offering of the greatest treasure man has ever been given to swine. The term "Swine" denotes those who would trample the precepts underfoot; those who would not know the value of the Gospel, and who would tread it down as swine would pearls.See 2Peter 2:21-22 This has nothing to do with the judging of others. We are free to judge the message of others and should do so. We should contend with others about the truth that was left to us and the dispatch of that truth. <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px"></DIV>

55. One might want to give some consideration to what I am about to say.
    Jesus was making a shocking statement when He told the story of the Samaritan. Thse people understood that He was talking about someone from the former Northern Kingdom of Israel whom God had divorced back in Jer 3:8. Samaria had been the capital city of that Kingdom. Most of the people that remained were a mixed people. The Northern Kingdom had never returned for the most part and were lost to most. A good Jew would never have anything to do with a Samaritan.
    Here we have Jesus pointing to them as a Neighbor to be treated as one would treat himself. This was a major statement at that time.
    No, all Israelites were not Jews and never were called Jews. Only those of the Southern Kingdom, whom God never gave a bill of divorce. This has meaning that I do not have time to go into right now.

56. Thanks for trying to bring a balanced appraisal of what Rick Warren is saying here.

    (For us Brits, it's amazing how many times things seem to kick off so much in the USA btw!)

    All I can say is that as an Evangelical Christian myself, over the past 26 years I've shared the gospel with many Muslim friends and acquaintances; in most cases stating categorically that unless they repented of their sins and believed in Jesus Christ as being the Son of God they would die in their sins and go to hell. (Yep I even use the term "hell", old fashioned I know!).

    I've shared the Gospel like this up in the Northern Areas of Pakistan; near the border with Afghanistan (real Taliban country!) and found the following – unless you present the Gospel with LOVE and build a bridge; you pretty much won't have anyone listen to you anyway!

    What I have found refreshing is the fact that with many Muslims you can have a very open and frank debate about who Jesus really is (ie the Son of God), and you'll instantly have a very lively debate on your hands… but you'll need to know the scriptures and be ready with a robust defence of God's Word because Muslims on the whole are very happy to discuss God.

    Still, unless you actually engage with folks; how on earth can you reach them for Jesus?

    Paul says he becomes "all things to all men, that by any means" he can save some. The least we can do is respect someone (even if in a different religion! Jesus died for them too!), find points of contact and build a friendship upon which to share the truth about Jesus. As long as we then don't water down the truth then all is well.

    As I say; being a Brit I'm not that familiar with Rick Warren, but from the little I've seen of him, he seems humble and sincere in wanting to share Jesus with people all over the earth. Anyhow, time will tell and at the end of the day; GOD Himself will do the judging. In the meantime, why not let's forget about slanging matches with each other and instead ask ourselves… "What am I doing NOW to win someone to Jesus?"

    Kudos and keep up the good work.

    Dave

    1. In all kindness, I cannot define what we do as winning anyone for Christ. We layout the Gospel of Christ. It is God who gives the credibility of the Gospel to whom He will. It is His Gospel Message that we layout and if the receiver is not in the person we find nothing but the same dead person we began with.
       WE are to let our peace return to us and shake the dust off out feet and move on. God has already told us what the condition of that person will be in the end as a result of our bringing the Good News before them for consideration.
       We do come before others with all manner of kindness and submit the Good News to them. It is not open to debate. If they are not in need of God's Mercy and find themselves in need of a savior what fellowship have we with them? We saw our need as a result of God making the witness in our hearts upon having heard the Gospel and we ran to it and embraced it.
       God must strike the match in their hearts and we are not given permission to alter the message in any way in order to make it acceptable to them.

    2. I will continue my last reply by pointing out that we cannot build on a small fragment of God's Word. We can only build after we have understanding of the entire picture of what God is doing. Until we understand that we are still students in need of understanding. What has brought us to the place we find ourselves is attempting to take things like loving our enemies as a doctrine without full understanding of the whole picture. We cannot Love and embrace enemies of the Word of God who would see our message destroyed.
       We must not attempt to build a doctrine on any one word or small series of words. That would be attempting to turn a pyramid and support all its weight on the point. A point is to be supported by the entire Word of God.

    3. In the end who did Jesus die for? Those who will receive Him. How do we identify His people? They run to and embrace the Gospel and the one Who did indeed die for them. Jesus's prayer is for the ones the Father gave Him.

       1. And who is to tell them about the good news? We are.

          1. Hi, You are correct we tell them the Good News indeed. After careful study I am of the conclusion that Rick Warren is not telling them the good news. He picks the versions of the Bible that support what he wants people to believe. Take the Message for one, a version that he uses very often. Its promoter states that it was never intended to be taught from. He uses it in places that he believes will support what he already has made as his position in his own mind. I don't care how he wants to put it he is a universalistand is spreading a version of the Gospel that he is not authorized to teach. Simple belief in Jesus will not get one in. One must fully embrace Jesus and completely rely on his saving work at the cross for our personal sin. That sin was the going of our own way no matter what it was we were seeking. We must repent and that means repent of our way and turn to His way and that way is not what Warren is leading the flock to understand. His way was that the Sin of man was so severe that one had to die. The man had to die or a proper substitute had to be offered in the man's place. We can not offer to anyone the Gospel without making that clear. The one to whom it is offered must understand his condition and know that he deserves death because of the wretch that he is. He must also understand the high price paid by a Lamb such as Jesus was. The receiver of the gift does not have to feel good about himself. In fact he should see himself for what he isas God views him prior to the Blood of the Lamb being applied to the Mercy Seat which allows God to view him. If the Blood is not there God only sees His Wrath when considering the man. Negative? There was never a more negative one than Jesus Christ when it comes to just what he will allow. He paid a dear price to redeem those he came to and to offer itto others without teaching why the price had to be so great is making the offer of no effect. I will not waste either of our time by stating the negatives that Jesus spoke. If you do not see them you have drank the Rick Warren Kool Aid. I hope that you have not gone that far. <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px"></DIV>

57. Why is so difficult to "mark" the disobedient? Rick Warren marks himself by using all the "so called bibles" written by unauthorized and possibly unsaved writers and publishers. Do we not have one God, one Holy Spirit, one Christ and one faith? Who is the Christ that fills the pages of his writings? Do we really need to debate satan? Do we really need to run the race about his being Chrislam when he falls short at the starting line? Why give him the priveledge of debate? That takes precious time.

    1. Are you sure that the King James Version was written by all saved men? I don't think so.

58. This confusion and attacking one another is exactly why people stay away from church, and why they dont accept Jesus Christ as there Lord and Savior. If we agree that Jesus died for our sins and He lives today and is the only way to salvation and we have the Word of God (FROM GOD) Why cant we focus on saving the lost and stop all the confusion!!

    1. Because Brad, Rick is gutting Biblical Christianity. We must contend for the faith or ,many will be deceived because of the popularity alone of this man.

59. Well said Jirobbi!!

60. Thank you JIROBBI, I read the truth in love in your words and the solid affirmation by applying Scripture. We can't argue with Scripture when it is correctly applied in context.

    Some Believers today disregard that when Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment is, the first one was NOT Love your neighbor as yourself, but rather…

    "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?""The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." Mark 12:28-31. Jesus also makes reference to these verses before He shares the story about The Good Samaritan in Luke 10.

    If we skip over "to love God with all our heart, with all our soul, with all our mind and with all our strength," then we are skipping over what God requires of us, we are to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. We are not to reverse the order of the two commandments because they make us "feel better by doing good deeds." This is what is very dangerous about Purpose Driven. The focus is not on reconciling man with God through acknowledging personal sin (not as a group sin offering), confessing, repentance, turning away. NO, the focus with PDC is on "the self." I was caught in the "feel good trap" myself. "Doing,doing, doing"and "busyness." It's never encouraged to pray about being involved with things, it's just expected because it makes the church look good to the community. "Look at what THAT church is DOING."

    For Rick to say "I have to build a bridge, so Jesus can walk over" is again putting the focus on "self" rather then what the Holy Spirit's role is…it is the Holy Spirit that draws men, NOT us. Does Rick honestly believe that Jesus needs Rick Warren to place that bridge there? The mediator between God and man IS JESUS, there is no bridge construction project, it is already finished. HE is the bridge. Our role is to share the gospel and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work.

    "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." Eph 5:21

    Our allegiance is to Christ not what Rick Warren says.

    1. Thank you for this reply. You bring up the most important part of this story. We have no fellowship with this bridge building. We are not commissioned to build any such bridge. You stated it well, "It is Finished" and He is our Bridge and our only hope.
       We are dispatched with the Gospel and when it not received we are to be on our way. We honor God when we move on. We are making a confession that we are not capable of causing anyone to place their hope in the Gospel and that power belongs to God alone. Correctly stated the Gospel is the dynamite of God. Paul was saying that the very message of the gospel is the dynamite of God. It is the dynamic of God.

61. Well said Tracy!

62. There is a most important part of the whole story that is left out in our understanding of Israel. Most leave it out because of nuts that took the story and attempted to make something out of it that it is not. The Northern Kingdom of Israel, also known as Israel with it's Capital in Samaria, was scattered and no longer a part of Israel at the time Jesus was there. The Jews, or Southern Kingdom, had no regard for the Samaritans. Jesus came to offer the Gospel to those people wherever they were. He came to make it possible for them to return to God. This is something that very few people understand. See the first chapter of Hosea.

63. God divorced those people of the Northern Kingdom (10 tribes of Israelites). The Son's of Joseph were among them. They were to no longer be known as His people. One kind thing God had in store for them. They would offered God's Mercy at an appointed time. When Jesus pointed to a Samaritan as being the neighbor of The Jews He was about to offer descendents of the Northern Kingdom their ability to return to God. For the most part Samaritans were a mixed race of people at that time and were descendents of the Northern Kingdom at that time.
    This message of Jesus about loving their neighbor as themselves was about to include a despised people into the fold. This "love you neighbor" has been used to beat people over the head for generations with no understanding of what was being said.

64. One thing of note is that the people of the former Northern Kingdom were scattered all over the world. Until an appointed time set by God they would remain unknown. God would know where they were but according to Hosea they would no longer remember they were ever God's people. The world would not know them as God's people and they would not look like God's people. Another important point is that they were never known as Jews. Only the people of the Southern Kingdom were known as Jews. One thing in their future was to be the people from whom the Messiah would come.
    How were the people of the Northern Kingdom to ever be brought back into favor with God? They were indeed going to be brought back. I will point to the scripture which points to this fact next.

65. Hos 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel Shall be as the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered. And it shall come to pass In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There it shall be said to them, 'You are sons of the living God.'
    Now we understand that the people of the Northern Kingdom were known as the children of Israel. They were not Jews. The Jews have never been a number such as this. The only people who could fit this number would be those scattered people of the Northern Kingdom throughout the world. Those descedents of the Northern Kingdom who would one day find God's Forgiveness and Mercy.
    Hos 1:11 Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel Shall be gathered together, And appoint for themselves one head; And they shall come up out of the land, For great will be the day of Jezreel!
    I point all this out to allow us to understand why Jesus used the example of a Samaritan as being his neighbor to the one asking Him who their Neighbor was. This was not by accident.

66. Joh 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
    Joh 17:2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
    Joh 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
    Joh 17:10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
    Joh 17:14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

    The World has hated them? Notice. Does anyone think that we will be loved by the world? Will they embrace us and our work which we have been dispatched to do? We would lack a part of our brain to think so. I will not embrace them and their teaching. I will embrace all who come to Jesus but I will not support them in any way as they attempt to convert the world.

67. Just in case someone attempts to tell you that Jesus was merely praying for the apostles only notice this:

    Joh 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;

    I see nothing in His Prayer asking God to give any support to other religions. In fact I do not find anything in the entire bible about God's people supporting any person in his endeavors of worshiping in any way he might choose.

    Rick Warren stated to a Muslim Group that we must go beyond mere tolerance, that nothing will be solved by tolerance. There is nothing Biblical about his speech to that group. He is not authorized to make his speech on behalf of Christians as a Body of the Lord's people. He is free to speak and do anything he wishes as Rick Warren but not as one representing Jesus Christ. I cannot find anything to support that in the request for us to be a peace in the world as much as possible. Rom 12:18
    A little common sense is good. Feed a hungry person, give them a warm coat but this was not called for. I saw no one cold and hungry at the meeting which Rick spoke

68. Of Geoffrey Grider, let me ask a question: Is this honestly the best you can do to serve the Lord and try to win people to Jesus? I am reminded by this brouhaha you've created of a very expensive ad campaign embarked upon a couple of years ago by the Seventh-Day Adventists, in which they paid for numerous billboards up and down the whole 350+ miles of I-75 through Georgia [an admirable outreach], but the billboards were all about whether Sunday is the proper day for Christians to worship. If you called the toll-free # on the sign, you were sent a book about why they say we should worship on Saturday. Honestly, with all the raping, killing, stealing, and slavery to pornography and the sex urges in this society, couldn't we have found some other basis to present the Gospel, something about "freedom in Christ" or "peace with God"? [I don't really have to cite references for you to know that those are phrases from Scripture, do I?]
    The fact that you chose to attack Rick Warren with such baseless charges reminds me of an encounter with a not-very attractive or winsome old man I met in a tire store when I was a college student. This self-professed Baptist minister in his grubby clothes, with tobacco juice visible on his chin, chose to engage my unsaved co-worker on the subject of the Christian faith. His great assertion was that Billy Graham couldn't possibly be a real Christian, since Jesus said it is impossible for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
    If you really needed to go after famous people who are manifesting an anti-Christ influence, why didn't you take on Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist, who says he's trying to make Christianity so unattractive to Americans that no more of them will accept Jesus as Savior? Or that fool in Orlando with the blood of many innocent Christians on his hands who chose to burn a Koran and put the video on the Internet, who provoked Muslim extremists in several places to behead dozens of Christians in retribution?
    It seems to me that there are too many Christians in the world who have not learned the lessons of Mark 9:40, 50 or of Luke 9:50-56.

69. DEAR A Plea for Humility , You make a good example of the Seventh Day Adventist signs. Today the Sabbath is kept as we honor God and the Sabbath rest He has given us. Now we worship Him all day every day. Warren is not the man spoken of in Mark 9:40. He is not with us. He appears as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Poison in water still makes one sick. He poisons the water. It looks like water but he adds something that makes it appear as pure water. Notice this program he is coming out with.
    Warren has said this will be the decade of destiny. He has kicked it off with the "The Daniel Plan – God's Prescription for Your Health". This program will taught by a Dr. Amen, Dr Hyman and Dr Oz. Warren has describe them with the following heading "The Leading Health Specialist in America".

70. I see that you are going to censor me. I have not pointed to one thing that is not Biblical. So this is not a search for the truth.

71. The Dr Oz that is a large part of Rick Warren's Daniel Plan is a Muslim who practices Sufi Islam and Transcendental Meditation. Dr Oz's wife follows Emanuel Swedenborg who is deeply admired by Sufi Muslims because of the similarities on a philosophical level. Dr Oz also promotes Reiki.( "rei" meaning universal spirit and "ki" meaning life energy) a form of Japanese healing discovered by Dr. Usui Reiki Ryoho during a "mystical experience" atop Mount Kurama in Japan in 1922.
    What? Do we bring these sort of people into the Church to help with our health?

72. About Swedenborg who Dr Oz's Wife follows. He stated that the Last Judgement had already occurred, in 1757. He pointed out that is was only visible in the spiritual world, where he had witnessed it. That Judgement was followed by the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, but was not in person, but by a revelation from Him through the inner, spiritual sense of the Word to Swedenborg. Swedenborg said, it is the presence of that spiritual sense that makes the Word Divine.

73. Warren is more concerned about involving people of interfaith persuation and their religious institutions (Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist and Christian) to solve the worlds problems than sharing Christ with those who do not know him.
    As I outlined before about he is attempting to use what he calls the good teaching of those who are into other faiths to heal those in the Church.

    What, cannot God heal those in the Church or does he believe that God is doing the work better in other Faiths?

74. Rick Warren has proven himself slippery and evasive to the truth. While he did make a clear cut denial that he has embraced Chrislam, we must remember that he conveniently overlooks commenting on his prayer confession to the "Most Merciful" Islamic god.

    Anyone who confesses another god as if it is Jehovah commits idolatry. Remember that when the Northern Israelites under Jeroboam made a pair of calves thinking that they would represent Jehovah, God considers that idolatry.

    Until the day Rick Warren stands up to refute that the Islamic god is NOT HIS GOD, he has committed idolatry, and he has done that while being a teacher of the word. To date, he has not done so. PERIOD.

75. Rick Warren can be seen supporting the Daniel plan and its group of Doctors who support methods of other faiths of the world at the following:
    http://saddleback.com/thedanielplan/whatisit/

    First Dr. Amen Supports Tantric sexual practices that has its roots in ancient Hindu sacred texts that contain certain rituals and secrets.
    Dr. Mark Hyman is a strong advocate for mystical meditation. In a book by Dr Hyman In his book, The Ultramind Solution, Hyman emphasizes meditation, saying that it doesnʼt matter what religion a person is they will benefit from it (p. 322). Dr Hyman points out that Mindful meditation is a powerful and well researched method developed by Buddhists (p. 384)
    I have already pointed out Dr Oz's methods.

76. Dr Oz has supported Reiki as being one of his favorite Alternative Medicine Secrets. He goes on to offer it as a family method used in his own family.

    During the Reiki attunement process, the avenue that is opened within the body to allow Reiki to flow through also opens up the psychic communication centers. This is why many Reiki practitioners report having verbalized channeled communications with the spirit world. (cited in “A Time of Departing,” p. 97)

    Are these the people Rick Warren bring into his church to help his people? Investigate for yourself. Does this have any place in the life of the Believer? Are we to invlove this in our lives?

77. Copied from the Reiki site:
    http://www.reiki.org/faq/learningreiki.html

    The attunement process used by the Center in all Reiki classes is a combination of the Usui system and a special Tibetan technique. It is thought that Reiki originated in Tibet, therefore, the use of the Tibetan technique and symbols creates a stronger connection with the origins of Reiki. The addition of the Tibetan attunement technique to the Usui system of attunements has greatly improved their quality.

    My Word, Dr Oz supports this and is helping those in the Daniel Program at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church!

78. Hi Ajang. I completely support what you are saying. I do not believe that Rick Warren will stand up and retract anything. He is on a roll now and I believe may be turned over to delusion about the things of Christ. We must, and I repeat, Must be prepared to stand for the truth in spite of his popularity.

    He may add deadly things to the message but they will not harm us. Jesus will protect His from the Harm.

    Mar 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.

    Jesus pointed this out because He knew that the time would come when poison would be combined with truth in the attempt to lead us away from the Gospel.

79. http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/maturity/spiritua…

    A book listed as shaping the Life of Kay Warren is Can You Drink the Cup?
    by Henri Nouwen.
    Who is Henri Nouwen?
    Quote from Nouwen
    Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.
    Warren sells material by Nouwen on his web sites. Can we see the evidence of what Warren Believes through this? Yes, we can. Even if he will not admit it point blank we can have insight into his mind with some of the people he supports or quotes..

    1. That quote from Henri Nouwen is from "Sabbatical Journey," Henri Nouwen's last book on page 51, 1998 Hardcover Edition.

       "The God who dwells in our inner sanctuary is the same as the one who dwells in the inner sanctuary of each human being." from the book "Here and Now" also by Henri Nouwen; page 22

       The fact is that many of Rick Warren's followers are new to the faith. They basically have very little discernment, so when the Warren's endorse books and doctors and teachers that go against Scripture, they believe "well if Rick and Kay Warren" recommend these books/people, then they MUST be GREAT! Instead of Scripture being the plumb line, people are using Rick Warren as their 'adviser' and do not think twice about looking up in Scripture whether it's what GOD wants.

       Very dangerous. The path is narrow, not broad. But listening to Rick Warren…hey, it doesn't matter.

       Think about deception…people wouldn't be deceived if it outright looked wrong now would they? Of course not. Deception is about things appearing to be right, when in fact they are wrong.

       "Abstain from all appearance of evil." I Thess 5:22. The fact that Rick Warren condones these pagan ways and puts them on a pedestal himself… listener beware. God won't go against His Word. God also has wrath. He calls us to obedience, not to results.

       Research, research, research. Don't take our word for it. Please. Just think if Eve would have researched what she knew to be true, she would have refused to bite that fruit! Had she of used the Words of God as her plumb line instead of the deception in front of her, she would not have been deceived.

       But, it 'appeared' like the right thing to do and follow…

       I'd like to also say…I came out of a Purpose Driven Church. While our family attended there, we had NO IDEA what Rick Warren was involved in, or how Purpose Driven was derived and created from (it's not from the Bible.)

       It wasn't until after we left (by the urging of the Holy Spirit, we knew something was not right) that we realized what was wrong.

       1. Well said Tracy. You hit this exactly. You just know that something is not quite right when you are one of His.

80. The fact is that many of Rick Warren's followers are new to the faith. They basically have very little discernment, so when the Warren's endorse books and doctors and teachers that go against Scripture, they believe "well if Rick and Kay Warren" recommend these books/people, then they MUST be GREAT! Instead of Scripture being the plumb line, people are using Rick Warren as their 'adviser' and do not think twice about looking up in Scripture whether it's what GOD wants.

    Very dangerous. The path is narrow, not broad. But listening to Rick Warren…hey, it doesn't matter.

    Think about deception…people wouldn't be deceived if it outright looked wrong now would they? Of course not. Deception is about things appearing to be right, when in fact they are wrong.

    "Abstain from all appearance of evil." I Thess 5:22. The fact that Rick Warren condones these pagan ways and puts them on a pedestal himself… listener beware. God won't go against His Word. God also has wrath. He calls us to obedience, not to results.

    Research, research, research. Don't take our word for it. Please. Just think if Eve would have researched what she knew to be true, she would have refused to bite that fruit! Had she of used the Words of God as her plumb line instead of the deception in front of her, she would not have been deceived.

    But, it 'appeared' like the right thing to do and follow…

    I'd like to also say…I came out of a Purpose Driven Church. While our family attended there, we had NO IDEA what Rick Warren was involved in, or how Purpose Driven was derived and created from (it's not from the Bible.)

    It wasn't until after we left (by the urging of the Holy Spirit, we knew something was not right) that we realized what was wrong.

    1. In his book The Purpose-Driven Life, which is primarily written to Christians, on page 212 Warren writes,

       "Let me be clear: If you're losing the battle against a persistent bad habit, an addiction, or a temptation, and you're stuck in a repeating cycle of good intention-failure-guilt, you will not get better on your own! You need the help of other people."

       Here Warren denies the power of the Holy Spirit that is resident in every believer's life (John 7:39). In the context of speaking to believers, he says "You need the help of other people" in order to overcome "a persistent bad habit, an addiction, or a temptation." Scripture nowhere says any such thing. On the contrary, Scripture says,

       The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. (Galatians 5:22-23)

       Rick Warren "has a form of godliness, yet denying it's power…" 2 Tim 3:5 and what does Scripture say to do? "…avoid them, have nothing to do with them, from such turn away."

       Ever wonder why he pushes small groups and Celebrate Recovery?

       "Some problems are too ingrained, too habitual, and too big to solve on your own. You need a small group or an accountability partner who will encourage you, support you, pray for you, love you unconditionally; and hold you accountable. (PDL, p. 213-214)

       In other words, some sins are too hard for the Savior, Jesus Christ, to solve. "You need a small group." Yes indeed, you do need a small group if you do not have the Savior, and you want to end up in hell being cursed forever with your trust in man (Jeremiah 17:5). This is where Warren's "Purpose-Driven Life" leads. It leads to eternal death (Revelation 21:8). It is a Purpose-Driven Death, because the trust, the faith, is not in the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, but rather in man and his man-made way of dealing with sin.

       This is well illustrated by Saddleback's "Celebrate Recovery" program. Warren writes,

       "At Saddleback Church we have seen the awesome power of this principle to break the grip of seemingly hopeless addictions and persistent temptations through a program we developed called Celebrate Recovery." (PDL, p. 213)

       Here it is admitted that a man-made ("we developed") program is used to "break the grip of . . . addictions." In other words, a man-made program has been developed to do what Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit does – "break the grip of" sin. This is a flat-out denial of our Lord Jesus Christ, as 2 Peter 2:1 and Jude 4 declare men like Warren will do.

       Warren goes on and says,

       "In the past ten years over 5,000 lives have been set free from all kinds of habits, hurts, and addictions. Today the program is used in thousands of churches. I highly recommend it for your church." (PDL, p. 213)

       Jesus says He is the one who sets free (John 8:31-36).
       http://www.atruechurch.info/rickwarren.html

81. Rick admits he wants to educate others about other religions and Rick Warren even says:

    "What's the big deal!"

    Hmm…what IS the big deal? Jesus didn't command us to go and educate others about false religions/gods, now did He?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTrnPC8KChQ&fe…

82. Another example of flattery in his opening statements in this video link…and proof to the reference above of the comments Rick Warren states about religious pluralism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkumUYaxl0s&fe…

    Here Rick Warren says:

    "Can't we all just get along?"

    "Frankly, I don't care WHY you do good, as long as you do good."

    Rick Warren doesn't care what your motivation is…

    OK, so the Israelites "motivation" was to worship God, yet Moses was "taking too long," up on the mountain and he represented God to them, so they decided to make an idol. Did God say "Oh, it's ok…I know what your motivation was?" NO! God said:

    Exodus 32:7 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, “Go down at once, for your people, whom you brought up from the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves. 8“They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!’” 9The LORD said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. 10“Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.”

    20He took the calf which they had made and burned it with fire, and ground it to powder, and scattered it over the surface of the water and made the sons of Israel drink it."

    Moses made them DRINK the golden calf!

    Did the Israelites consider themselves "doing good?" Probably so.

    Did God care what their motivation was? YES and because they did NOT follow HIS commands, He punished them.

    Jesus said (notice the order):
    Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." Mark 12:30-31

    We as Believers, must ask ourselves "Does this contradict God's Word before we engage or involve ourselves in a cause?" Instead of just following what a popular man says….

83. Hi Tracy, Thanks for the continued input. I just received an old book by G H Pember, written around 1895. As I read from the book it was just as if I were reading about the subject we are on. Pember points out this attempt to mix Christianity with Eastern Religions in his time. The attempt was very strong in his day.

    One thing I thought about this morning is that Satan was the first to attempt to distort God's Word when he gave his commentary to Eve. He does not deny that there is a God but attempts to shed his light on what God really said.

84. What about discernment people!I follow Rick Warren on Twitter and he is sold out to Jesus Christ.I also recieved the email and prayed to God to show me the truth.It's not complicated at all……just listen to what the Holy Spirit tells you.

    1. "I follow Rick Warren on Twitter"…exactly the point.

       What about discernment.

       We should be following Jesus and spending our time in His Word, not following after what a man "tweets" every 15 minutes.

85. Do you see discernment in Rick Warren?

    Make sure it is THEE Holy Spirit. "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, "1 Tim 4:1

    The Daniel Plan? New Age "Wisdom"? Endorsing several New Age author's books?

    "But wisdom is proved right by her actions." Matthew 11:19b

86. Thank you everyone for your input into this post. I have read each post and looked at your comments and read the scripture references.

    This seems to be a polarizing issue with people. With that in mind, I will be pulling the comments of this post in a week. If you want a copy of the comments for your reference, please copy and paste them to your own records before August 15.

    The reason for pulling the comments is that after reading what's been posted and referring to scripture, I still stand by what I've said in my post.

    Every comment is an opinion and I don't want to discourage someone who is searching for Jesus as they would by chance land on these comments and make the decision that his followers can't get along.

    My belief still is in saying that Rick Warren is a Chrislam and promotes Islamic belief is wrong. To say he is the Antichrist, is misguided.

    While you might not agree with methods he uses, you can't deny his message of Jesus Christ. Just as you can't read scripture in chunks, we can't make accusations of someone's faith in chunks either. You must evaluate it in light of their life and fruit.

    Paul said he becomes all things to all people so he might "win" one (1 Corinthians 9:15-23). If I can be a friend of someone and meet their need to give me the opportunity to win them for Christ – yeah I said win, cause Paul said it – then I'm going to do it.

    God draws men to Jesus through the Holy Spirit, but God's tool for spreading the good news of what Jesus did are Christ's followers. We are called and commanded to be a light and we show the light with our good deeds.

    God's role for the church is to be the light that brings Him glory and spreads the gospel to the ends of the earth.

    Our love for others is our identifying mark that we follow Him. This love is not a love only for our brothers. It's a love for our enemies too. As Jesus said, if we love only our brothers, it's not anything more than the actions of others. (Matthew 5: 47)

    Having a relationship with a non Christ-follower is not friendship with the world or being unequally yoked. I had an opportunity last week to share the gospel with a friend who was not a Christ-follower and he made his first step in following Christ that day. God used me to lead this friend (who was "worldly") to Jesus.

    That is why we build relationships with those far from God, because God's love sent Jesus to die for them, just as Jesus died for you and I. It is the Christ-follower's responsibility to be the voice piece of this good news.

    To deny this, is denying the purpose and the power of the gospel – the gospel that is centered around Jesus Christ.

    My methods will not be the same as yours. Your methods won't be the same as Rick Warren's, but our message will be the same – Jesus Christ died for us so we wouldn't have to pay the penalty for our sin – He was buried and was raised to life, proving He is the author of life and the King of all Kings, and the Lord of all Lords.

    Kasey

87. Don't we know that slanderers and gossipers are right there with the drunkards and homosexuals, the word of God says that you are sinners. People this is what is being done to Rick Warren, you are playing right into Satan's hand, he loves it when we slander our own believers. We need to pray for these people who are speaking this way.

88. Kasey, thanks for the clear explaination of the current misconception about brother Rick Warren. When I hear it in
    church last Sunday, I didn't have any facts. Your wife has done the research, and I will share it with the class.
    In Christ,
    T.M.

89. Hi Kasey,
    Found your article browsing about the nonsense of "Chrislam". Thank you for making the effort to set the record straight. Human nature is often so fickle and people seem to just swallow whatever is said to be true… I never believed the rumour about Rick Warren being a "Chrislam" – anyone reading any of his books would see for themself that he is all about Jesus Christ and one gospel – not possible for him to have all that behind him and suddenly change into a whole new message. A big thanks for your great response from beautiful Dullstroom in South Africa!! Christians out there should take note of your example and get the facts before they feed destructive rumours…God bless, Sue

90. Theological Difficulties in A Common Word Between Us and You

    "This "peace offer" comes at a high stake. These Muslim leaders are willing for us to dialogue with them, to come to a common word, with the following stipulations: 1) We must acknowledge that we Christians are worshipping the same God they are—that is, the God/Allah of the Qur’an; 2) In order to come together to love God and our neighbor it necessary to posit the Unity of God—which means a denial of the Triune nature of God; and 3) Our common agreement is based on a Muslim understanding of God’s nature as being a solitary being who "hath no associate" or "partner," thus denying the true Deity of Christ."
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Deleon/who…

91. Love without truth and Truth without Love is a problem. You cannot try to preach love without telling the truth. I do not know the exact details of Rick Warren and what he said. I want to state that to compromise on the truth is wrong….doesn't matter how good your intentions are. Love one another does not mean that we compromise our believes. Islam and Christianity is not the same, and why is it that people are being murdered in the name of Islam. This is NOT the same g-d and will never be. Look at what @Jeffrey Gerling wrote. He is right…wake up and understand that Islam is not about love. Yes we need to try and convert them with the help of the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean to compromise the truth.

92. Rick Warren preaches a new bloodless and sinless Gospel (Very little mention of sin or holiness in his Purpose Drive Life book). Rick Warren is a deceiver. Warren is current member of the Council on Foreign Relations which promotes one world government with a one world religion (which does not include Christianity of Jesus Christ). Warren's mentor was Peter Drucker. Read your Bible and so your research!
    Check out: http://www.crossroad.to/ and http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/

    In Hebrews 12:14 (NIV) it says "…without holiness no one will see the Lord". It does not say without PURPOSE no one will see the Lord.

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